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Subject: Derrick Bell's AND WE ARE NOT SAVED

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Subject: Review of Derrick Bell's Gospel Choirs

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Subject: Faces at the Bottom of the Well (Amanda Moore)

Subject: Faces at the Bottom of the Well (Jessica Pearch)
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Subject: Faces at the Bottom of the Well (Melissa Lynott)

Subject: Faces at the Bottom of the Well (Michelle Mattia)

Subject: Faces at the Bottom of the Well (Steve Treonis)

Subject: Faces at the Bottom of the Well (Tom Linas)


From: "Laura Long" 
To: gmklass
Subject: Review: Derrick Bell

Review of Derrick Bell, AND WE ARE NOT SAVED (Basic Books, 1987)
                      Reviewed by:
                      Laura Long
               Illinois State University
                       2/4/94

     Racism is about barriers, about shutting others out.  In AND
WE ARE NOT SAVED Derrick Bell uses a series of myths,
or chronicles, to examine these barriers, particularly the mental
barriers American whites have erected against racial equality.  In
so doing, Bell, perhaps unwittingly, also presents some of the
mental barriers blacks themselves have constructed.  With the
help of his mystical guide Geneva Crenshaw, Bell explores the
various strategies used by civil rights activists, including
litigation and black self-strengthening, and comes to an unsettling
conclusion:  white racism is so deeply embedded in our culture that
it will obstruct any movement towards equality.
     In each of these chronicles, a divine act occurs, solving a
social ill suffered by blacks.  A private gift of economic
assistance to blacks restores economic equality (Chronicle 5), a
medical cure is discovered to end the "ghetto diseases" of apathy
and low self-esteem (Chronicle 7), and a magic pill transforms
black criminals into crime fighters (Chronicle 10).  White
unfailingly resist each of these measures, even when beneficial
results for blacks are clear and when the measures, such as the
private economic assistance, do not cost whites a cent.  Whites
view society as a zero sum game, in which any gain made by blacks
automatically threatens whites.  There is nothing blacks can do to
overcome such virulent racism.
     But if there is nothing blacks can do, neither is there
anything whites can do.  Bell asserts that racism has been deeply
rooted in white American institutions since at least the
Constitutional
convention, when the wealthy delegates legitimated slavery in order
to bolster the economy and to unite whites of all classes.  And in
every chronicle, a supernatural act occurs which changes black
behavior, not white.  The white reaction is always a knee-jerk
denial of any benefit for blacks.  There is no conceivable (or even
inconceivable) instance in which whites can stop being racists. 
Apparently, whites cannot even hope for a miracle to change them.
     Bell insists that a desire to dominate is an insurmountable
barrier
in whites' minds, but Bell's own refusal to believe that that
barrier is surmountable also creates a barrier to racial equality. 
In denying that whites possess any hint of compassion or genuine
interest in equality, he does to whites what he complains of
being done to blacks:  "Why, I wondered, do whites so readily visit
on blacks the worst possible motives for actions that may have been
well intended?"  Bell attributes an unalterable mindset to a broad
group of people, a mindset based on skin color, putting Bell in the
somewhat surprising position of a racist.
     Bell's almost bottomless skepticism of whites has
understandable origins.  Even today, blacks and whites are living
in the shadow of over two hundred years of racism.  Bell movingly
describes the uncertainty blacks face in almost every situation,
the feeling "that my life and well-being lay totally at the whim of
any white person I encountered."  Whites can go for days without
consciously thinking about racism, whereas for minorities, the
question of racist motives is ever at the back of their
minds.  A black person can never know if poor treatment at a
restaurant is due to racism.  The point, however, is that sometimes
the cause IS just a rude waiter and nothing more.  Not all whites
seek to keep their boots on the throats of minorities.  True, some
whites will always be consumed by selfishness, but such
an enlightened self-interest may serve the cause of racial equality
as more and more whites realize the interconnection between
problems in black communities with problems in the country as a
whole, a proposition which Bell unfortunately brushes away too
quickly.
     While Bell is right that the United States is far from being
a picture of racial justice, he ignores the progress blacks have
made.  Such progress has been slow and uneven, but
surely more has been made than Bell would admit when he speaks of
"citizens of color whose lives are little less circumscribed than
were those of their slave forbears."  But in Bell's view, the
primary concern of whites is retention of their dominant position
in society, and the only gains blacks have made have been
grudgingly conceded by whites in order to keep blacks from openly
rebelling.
     Even these concessions end up benefitting whites.  In
Chronicle 4, Bell points to BROWN V. BOARD OF EDUCATION as an
example of his theory.  The Brown decision satisfied civil rights
activists by desegregating schools but resulted in the hiring of
more white teachers and refurbished white schools to handle the new
influx of black children. Thus, whites benefitted while the
educational opportunities for blacks were not substantially
improved.
     However, Bell's belief that whites only allow blacks victories
which also benefit whites requires some contorted logic.  It is
hard to believe that all or even any of the whites who supported
desegregation were really concerned with how many white teachers
and busing companies would make more money from the deal.  The
Supreme Court itself expressed an interest in seeing blacks gain
equal opportunity, not in insuring that whites would benefit.  If
whites only acted out of self-interest, desegregation would not
have occurred in the first place, for surely the refurbishment of
white schools and other such benefits were too small of a return
for the societal turmoil desegregation caused.  Further, whites
could have no more foreseen the harmful effects to blacks of busing
and destruction of neighborhood schools than could the blacks who
were themselves pressing for desegregation.  While some whites may
have consciously tried to profit from the situation, ascribing such
a purely selfish motive to all whites is too simplistic. 
     If whites are always racist no matter what tactics minorities
use, what then, should the future of the civil rights movement be? 
By denying the efficacy of all strategies for achievement of racial
equality, Bell has painted himself into a corner.  In his
concluding chapter, we are presented with a celestial choir and
impressive visual effects but little in the way of inspiration.  A
magical curia advises blacks to continue fighting for equality
through litigation, despite the fact that Bell has spent the
greater part of the book explaining how ineffective and even
harmful
such litigation has been for the black cause.
     While Bell's exhortation to "find solace and strength in
the recognition that black people are neither the first nor the
only group whose age-old struggle for freedom still continues and
is worth engaging in even if it never results in total liberty and
opportunity" reminds us that there is much that is admirable in
man's willingness to struggle against impossible odds, it must
remain cold comfort to those Americans, white and black, committed
to ending racism.
     Ironically, Bell's book may work to solve the very problem he
concludes is insoluble:  racism.  Bell claims whites cannot
understand racism because they have not been oppressed by it, but
in reading a book centered on assumptions of whites, assumptions
based on race, whites may catch a quick glimpse of how racism
feels.  Greater understanding can translate into greater
sensitivity and perhaps a renewed sense of interracial cooperation.
The great barrier in both race's minds is lack of trust, and that
barrier can be overcome when we start to view people as unique
individuals rather than as part of groups whose beliefs and actions
are predictable and immutable.  As long as racism survives in
America, none of us are "saved," white or black.!

From: HUCK ROBERT O 
To: gmklass
Subject: Review of AND WE ARE NOT SAVED

        Review of Derrick Bell,  AND WE ARE NOT SAVED (Basic Books, 1987)
			       Reviewed By:
			       Robert Huck
			Illinois State University
			     February 4, 1994

	Few people like to be manipulated.  However, when done well it is
tempting to stand back and admire the manipulator's artistry.  Derrick 
Bell's AND WE ARE NOT SAVED almost qualifies for admiration.
 
	My first impressions while reading this book gave me unpleasant 
flashbacks.  I was continually reminded of the difficulties I 
encountered in analyzing Thomas More's UTOPIA.  After reading dozens of 
interpretations, (which rarely if ever agreed with each other) I finally 
gave up on finding an authoritative consensus and just tried to come to 
my own conclusions.  Bell's use of fictional chronicles (and here 
fictional is an understatement) to illustrate the problems of racism in 
America leads itself to misinterpretation. The chronicles run the gamut 
from a meeting of a retired civil rights lawyer with the authors of the 
Constitution to a mysterious plague that darkens the skin of wealthy 
white children.  After each chronicle, Bell (himself a civil rights 
attorney) and the retired attorney, Geneva Crenshaw, discuss the finer 
legal points and possible legal remedies of the issue presented in the 
chronicle. 

	Bell's most serious shortcomings are in the chronicles' tone.  
Most chronicles involve an almost 'deus ex machina' approach to racism.
For example, black gangbangers find stones which, when swallowed, take
away a person's capacity for violence.  Eventually, all blacks
swallow these stones and black-on-black violence comes to a halt.
Despite the end of black violence, Bell describes a virulently negative
white reaction.  On the surface, this reaction is not just ludicrous
(people would give anything to live free from the fear of crime), it
points to Bell's intractable hopelessness.  This hopelessness, ultimately,
is the undoing of Bell's premises, arguments, and conclusions.
 
	I was afraid I would encounter my UTOPIA problems in reading 
Bell's fictional chronicles.  The above-mention UTOPIA flashback 
became particularly vivid in Chronicle #3, "The Chronicle of the Ultimate 
Voting Rights Act."
 
	Throughout Chronicle #3 I found myself saying over and over 
again, "What does he think?  Is he really advocating proportional
representation for black voters in state legislatures?  Or is he just 
sending up trial balloons?"  I first believed in the trial balloons theory.
 
	Bell's protagonist, Geneva Crenshaw relates the chronicle of a  
racist senator who (after a near-fatal auto accident) has his own 
epiphany on racism.  To atone for the sins of his racism the senator 
proposes "The Ultimate Voting Rights Act".  This act would "amend the 
voting laws so that the minority race is guaranteed to elect 
representatives of their choice in numbers equal to their portion of the 
population eligible to vote" (87).
 
	As justification for this Act, Crenshaw (or is it Bell?  I'm not 
really sure at this point) reaches back into pre-Revolutionary history to 
demonstrate how blacks have been denied the franchise.  So what?  This is 
1994, not 1794.  We do not live in the 18th or even 19th century.  Today 
Blacks can and do vote by the millions.   As a history major I certainly 
appreciate how history can influence the present, however, 
pre-Revolutionary laws proscribing black voting have as much effect on 
politics today as 19th-century laws which denied women the franchise.  
These laws were reversed and today women constitute a majority of the 
electorate.

	This chronicle further illustrates Bell's unfounded hopelessness
vis-a-vis the white race.  If someone from another planet were to read
this story, he would get the impression that in the last 200 years there
has been no progress in white attitudes towards black voting.  This is 
patently untrue and Bell knows it.

	It is pointless to engage in a debate on the constitutionality of "The
Ultimate Voting Rights Act".  Even if one concedes constitutionality, one can
still be opposed to the Act.  Essentially Bell calls for a Balkanization 
of America's electorate.  If anyone wants to gauge the effectiveness of
racially-determined representation, one only need to travel to Bosnia or
Abkhazia or Nagorno-Karabakh.  One final criticism of the Ultimate Voting
Rights Act:  Will Hispanics, Asians or Native Americans be eligible for the
same treatment?  Some states may have more Hispanics or Asians or Native 
Americans than blacks.  Will they be allowed legally-guaranteed 
proportional race-based representation?  If not, why not?

 	I earlier mentioned that AND WE ARE NOT SAVED is manipulative.  I did 
not realize this until I had read chronicle #5, "The Chronicle of the 
Black Reparations Foundation".  In this story, a wealthy white 
businessman establishes a private foundation to compensate all black 
Americans for slavery.  Even though all money contributed to this 
foundation was private, white reaction to the reparations was negative.  
Whites even successfully sued to prevent the foundation from distributing its
money.
 
	When I first read of the reparations plan, I admit I didn't favor 
it but I could not immediately think of arguments against it.  The money was 
privately-donated and this businessman is free to distribute his money as 
he sees fit.  If he wants to compensate 20th-Century black Americans for 
something that happened to their great-great-great grandfathers, so be 
it.  Bell's manipulation almost saved me the trouble of trying to punch 
holes in the reparations plan.  In describing white reaction, Bell notes that 
"white workers saw their black counterparts doing the same work but in 
effect earning more money through reparations grants."  He added "One 
challenge would assert that the Black Reparations Foundation was 
practicing racial discrimination and thus was not entitled to its 
charitable status under the tax laws" (129)
 
	Many whites may feel that way about black reparations, but that
is not the real problem with it.  Bell truly believes that late-20th-
century black Americans should be compensated for the inhumanities
suffered by their ancestors.  No they should not.  If they are compensated,
we must also compensate the descendants of a host of other groups who have 
suffered oppression and indignaties.  First, the Native Americans, then 
the Irish, Catholics, Jews, and of course, women.  In other words, we
would have to compensate everyone.  Admittedly, we did compensate Japanese-
Americans who were interned during WWII, however, this compensation was
limited to people who suffered actual injury.  No one alive today can claim
to have suffered from slavery in the American south.  Many alive today can
claim actual injury from the Japanese internment.  This is a completely
different situation.  I'm sure Bell is smart enough to realize this, but
his "all whites are out to keep blacks down" premise gets in the way. 
 
	Bell obviously wants his chronicles to antagonize whites, not just
make them think.  This explains everything.  It explains why Bell treats white
racism as a given, not just for a few whites, but for virtually all.  It
explains white reaction to the disappearance of thousands of black school
children in chronicle #4.  Reaction that was at first concern was eventually
replaced by "all for the best" and "good riddance".  It explains the refusal
of whites to share medicine that would have proved effective in combating 
self-loathing and lethargy among black youths (chronicle #7).  And 
finally, it explains why whites were so upset when black Americans 
renounced violence, illegitimacy and welfare (chronicle #9).
 
	AND WE ARE NOT SAVED raises many important questions about the 
influence of historical racism in America.  However, its hopelessness, 
exaggerations and outright falsehoods such as "only blacks have
suffered the injustice of racial discrimination" (tell that to a Native
American) detract from some of the valid points Bell attempts.  
 

Robert Huck			|rohuck@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
314 Walker Hall			|
Normal, IL  61761-2993		|"I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer."
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Reply-To: llfield@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
From: "laura field" 
Subject: Review: AND WE ARE NOT SAVED (Field)
             Review of Derek Bell, AND WE ARE NOT SAVED
             Reviewed by: Laura Field,llfield@ilstu.edu
                   Illinois State University
                            2/2/95

     It seems that no issue has endured with such strength
throughout American history than that of racism. In AND WE ARE
NOT SAVED, Derek Bell distinguishes this fact by providing a
historical perspective of racism in America that he rightly
proclaims continues to persist in contemporary society. Bell
creatively combines his legal expertise with fantasy in an
attempt to explore questions that have often been raised
concerning the status of African-Americans. In his book he has
created the character Geneva Crenshaw, a black ghost who has
returned to earth after meeting a group of extraordinary forces
in heaven. These forces expose Geneva to a number of chronicles,
which are short parables filled with questions about racism in
America. Upon her return she attempts to make sense of these
chronicles, and calls upon the expertise of an old friend and
legal colleague for help. The story unfolds as Geneva and the
narrator reminisce about their past experiences in the 1960's as
legal advocates for civil rights, while simultaneously examining
the chronicles and the prevalent questions that surround racism
in America.
     Bell does not simply review the same questions that have
already been discussed concerning racial inequality but creates
hypothetical situations in an attempt to further explore the
phenomena of racism. Some of the chronicles include situations
like: a black woman who returns to the original Constitutional
Convention in order to argue the injustices of slavery; a wealthy
white man who gives billions of dollars to African-Americans in
an attempt to fight economic inequality and;the transformation of
black gang members into crime fighters and super achievers after
they swallow a handful of magic stones. Yet, these chronicles all
end in failure for Bell asserts that white dominance in
American society will not allow those that are black to succeed.
   Bell is correct and thorough in his analysis of the fact that
inequalities continue to exist in America. Filled with statistics
and facts his book makes it difficult for even the worst critic
to refute the argument that racism remains a predominant problem
in American society. He further provides evidence that since the
passage of civil rights, African-Americans have progressed very
little economically. He asserts that millions of black Americans
are no better off today than they were before the civil rights
movemen. Bell supports this argument by revealing that nearly 36%
of all African-Americans continue to live below the poverty level
(p47). However, his thesis begins to weaken when he argues that
African-American poverty is primarily caused by white Americans.
     Bell argues that those who work to "deliberately" prevent black
Americans from experiencing any upward mobility. Bell states that the
reason white Americans intentionally try to prevent black Americans from
economically succeeding is because "black subordination helps to ensure the
situation of even the poorest whites"(p232). He further asserts that
"equality will not come through social programs which serve to provide
minimum relief for the needy while providing the upper classes with
stability, regularity, and the poor's acceptance of the status quo"(p55).
But do racial inequalities truly exist because white society is
"deliberately" perpetuating black subordination? Evidence suggests no.
     Research and opinion polls have shown that white Americans appear to be
less prejudices than ever before. Although it is true that opinion polls
can be misleading, it is extremely difficult to refute the fact that overt
discrimination is no longer largely acceptable or legally permitted in
American culture. Bell is correct in asserting that certain aspects of our
culture continues to perpetuate racial inequality. But where his argument
weakens is when he suggests that the inequalities which exist are
"deliberate" attempts by those that are white to ensure that those who are
black will not succeed.
     Many of the racial inequalities that exist in contemporary society are
not deliberate nor are they blatant attempts from those that makeup the
majority of the white population. Often racial discrimination can occur
unconsciously for like for instance:when factories relocate or small
businesses move from the cities to the suburbs displace jobs and place
minorities at a disadvantage or; intelligence tests that contain questions
more geared towards white middle-class children than children of other
racial or ethnic backgrounds.
     Although theses examples carry the same consequences as blatant
discrimination, they are not "deliberate" attempts by white society to
benefit at the expense of black society. However, as James Kluegel revealed
with a study conducted in 1990, "One of the biggest problems with
unintentional discrimination is that the majority of white Americans
continue to believe that African- Americans enjoy the same opportunities
that white Americans do".  This predominant belief system has led many
white Americans to oppose any additional government spending to assist
minorities.  Thus, although our society has been able to overcome overt
prejudice, our belief systems continue to perpetuate racial inequalities.
Bell further argues that racial discrimination hinders opportunities for
minorities in America. Yet, he fails to include in his analysis that
denying opportunities for any large proportion of our society has the
capability of negatively effecting all Americans. Denying opportunities to
any large proportion of our society has historically had negative effects.
Currently the United States is faced with the problem of poor educational
performance of many children who are forced to attend inner-city schools
that are housed in lower-income districts.  This situation has the
capability of negatively effecting not only those that live in poor districts, but potentially all Americans if economic growth and
productivity are affected by this problem.
     Undoubtedly such issues will become more prevalent as America expands further into the global market and
as more minorities enter into the work force. Derek Bell's AND WE ARE NOT
SAVED offers the reader a unique look at both the past and future
consequences of racism. Unfortunately, the author fails to explore any
sound solutions for the prevalent problem of racism in America.

From: "David G. Lewis" 
Subject: Review: Faces At The Bottom Of The Well (Lewis)
Review of Derrick Bell, FACES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL
(Basic Books, 1992)

                        Reviewed By:
                       David G. Lewis
                  Illinois State University
                     February 4, 1994


     Derrick Bell demonstrates an interesting writing style
which incorporates fact with fiction, which often
leaves the reader wondering if the events that he describes
actually took place in history or are another one of his
clever aberrations.

     Upon reading the book I was both surprised and at times
disappointed with the way in which Bell ended some of the
chronicles.  He asserts that racism is a permanent reality
in America and that nothing that civil rights groups or
white liberals do will change that fact.  Bell does
acknowledge that blacks have made some strides in this
country over the past two hundred years, however he states
that whites only allow those minute advances to pacify the
masses, and even then there are alternative motives for
doing so.  Bell states his thesis in the introduction of his
book and uses several fictional chronicles to support his
statement that racism is a permanent state in America.  The
flaw in this statement, that blacks will never be able to
overcome racism regardless of their achievement, is twofold
in that:  1) it doesn't explain the success of Bell himself,
and 2) it basically says that any attempt by blacks to
improve their lot in life is an attempt in futility.

     Bell begins his introduction by addressing the first
shortcoming that I pointed out.  He mentions that his thesis
stating that racism is a permanent state in America was
challenged by a well-dressed, articulate woman following a
reading from his book in a downtown Washington, D.C.,
bookstore.  He points out that he simply chronicled what
society had done and was likely to do.  This answer is both
true and untrue.  It is true in the fact that Bell does use
historically accurate information in his chronicles.  These
facts are both true and have been duly recorded in the
history of our country.  However when Bell uses these
historical facts to predict the future he begins to walk the
line in that he takes the role of a prophet, a role that he
clearly states that he is in no position to take.  Bell's alter ego
in these chronicles goes by the name of Geneva
Crenshaw (he reincarnates her from his first book AND WE ARE
NOT SAVED 1987).  She too is a civil rights attorney.  She
appears out of nowhere from time to time and reaffirms his
belief that racism is permanent.  Throughout the various
chronicles she appears at different times and places as if
to say "I told you so!"

     Bell's assertion to the permanence of racism is clearly
brought to life in the Afrolantica Awakening chronicle.  In
this chronicle Bell begins by describing an unusual
occurrence which takes place in the middle of the Atlantic
Ocean, some nine hundred miles due east of South Carolina.
A body of land appears out of the ocean.  Immediately the
United States and several other countries send out
expedition forces to lay claim to this body of land.  The
first American explorers experience some life threatening
atmospheric conditions which force them to retreat, barely
with their lives.  The same thing happens to explorers from
other countries.  Subsequent efforts by the United States
and other major nations, by air all fail.  The United States
Navy then sends in a group of divers to reach the new land
under water.  Upon swimming within a few hundred feet of the
land, three of the four divers begin experiencing difficulty
in breathing and are rendered unconscious.  The fourth diver
then saves the lives of the other three and is hailed as a
hero.  The diver who saved the lives of the other three
happens to be black.  When questioned about his ability to
save the other three he states that he was not affected by
the symptoms that the other three white divers complained
of.  This leads to the discovery that blacks are immune to
the strange atmospheric conditions that enables whites from
occupying the land.  When this news is made public to
Americans it touches off controversy both within the black
and white community.  Blacks in America begin to view this
Afrolantic land as their promised land and form an
Afrolantica emigration movement.  Pro-emigration legislation
is introduced in Congress that would provide twenty thousand
dollars to each African-American citizen wishing to emigrate
to Afrolantica.  Bell explains that this "Reparations
Subsidy" would finance the move and was to be repaid if a
recipient sought return in less than ten years.

     Bell points out how deeply entrenched racism is in
white America by giving historical examples of what happened
to blacks in the past who have tried to or have organized
large groups of blacks with the intentions to emigrate to
Africa.  He points out Marcus Garvey, who in the early
1920's managed to raise ten million dollars and attracted at
least a half million members in his back to Africa movement.
He was convicted of mail fraud in a highly controversial
case, and subsequently deported as an undesirable alien back
to his homeland of Jamaica.

     The Afrolantica emigration movement leads to heightened
racial tensions between whites and blacks.  Televised
reports showing blacks able to function normally on the rich
new land sparks racial clashes and several attacks by whites
on black communities.  A man arrested at the scene of a race
riot spoke for all hostile whites:  "Damn! It ain't right!
The n___s got sports and pop music all tied up.  Now this!
It's more than this God-fearing, American-loving white man
can take!"  Bell goes on to show more sophisticated attempts
by the government to discourage blacks from going to this
new land.  He doesn't however quite explain why the
government is opposed to blacks leaving this country, only
that the government makes several legal and illegal attempts
to thwart the plans of the emigration movement.  While this
is an interesting theory as to how racist whites would react
to this scenario, Bell is simply speculating as to the
reaction of whites.  One could argue that the real racists
would be more than happy to see blacks leave the country if
that was the case, and would do anything to expedite the
process.  This chronicle ends on somewhat of an
anticlimactic note.  As suddenly as Afrolantica had appeared
it began to slip beneath the waves as several hundred
thousand black settlers were on their way to inhabit the
land.  The interesting part of this chronicle is the
reaction or lack thereof of the black men and women who are
now forced to return to America.  Bell states that neither
grief nor despair was felt as the men and women on board the
armada watched the last tip of the great land mass slip
beneath the waves.  He says this as if to say that blacks
were complacent with the current situation.  This may have
been an implication as to the complacency of some blacks
toward racism today!

     Overall the book raises some thought provoking issues
that warrant discussion.  I agree with Bell on many of the
issues that he raises, however I do not agree with the basic
premise of the book that racism is permanent.  Racism will
exist as long as people continue to perpetuate the very
thought of it never going away!
David G. Lewis
Illinois State University
dglewis@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu

Reply-To: nlbesse@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
From: "nicole besse" 
Subject: Review: AND WE ARE NOT SAVED(Besse)
Derrick Bell, AND WE ARE NOT SAVED(Basic Books, 1987).


                          Reviewed by:
                          Nicole Besse
                          Illinois State University
                          February 6, 1995



     Growing up in a rural, farm community composed of totally white people,
gave me no chance to fully understand  "racism".  I am not exaggerating when I
say all white; there were no black people and I do not think there ever had
been.  Don't get me wrong, I had knowledge of what racism was and I learned
all about slaves, the emancipation proclamation, and civil rights in history
classes, but I had never been exposed to the type of racism that people
face everyday in the real world.  All of my views on racism were developed
during class discussions with other white students about blacks.  Although
I felt strongly about the views I had taken, nothing was based on actual
experience or feelings, but on what I thought I felt.  When I came to
school at Illinois State, my small town views of the world were completely
destroyed, and I began to understand the conflict that goes on every day in
communities with more than one race.  I can not say that I am even close to
understanding everything that makes racism as ugly as it is, but I do not
think that any one is.  As I read Derrick Bell's book, AND WE ARE NOT
SAVED, I realized that I am quite a bit farther from shedding those small
town values than I previously thought.
   Bell's book made me stop and think about a lot of things that I had
never thought about before; things that I never would have imagined were a
part of the racism issue.  Throughout the whole book, it is obvious to me
that not all blacks agree on a solution for ending racism.  This was
something that I never thought about, but now it seems like common sense.
Most people do not agree on things; solutions to problems are agreed on
even less.  Bell's chronicle of the Celestial Curia pointed this out
explicitly.  Even these angelic-like women could not agree on a solution,
how can an entire country agree?  This chronicle also struck me as strange
because one of the Curia actually suggests that the entire black population
emigrate to an entirely new place.  This seems to defeat the point of
conquering and eliminating racism.  Blacks should not have to leave a
country that they are as much a part as whites.  The entire make-up of the
United States is one of diversity and mixing little bits of other cultures
to make one that is unique in itself.  It seems to me that the answer to
eliminating racism is within the U.S. and although it may be difficult to
come by, the answer will come eventually.
     I found problems reading Bell when he started blaming white people for
every bad thing that has ever happened to the black race.  I realize that
blacks have disadvantages and that some whites have treated some blacks
unfairly, but I do not think that blaming all the problems of an
entire race on another race is a solution to the problem of racism.  Again
and again Bell blames slavery for the state that blacks are in today and
this may be a large cause of "blacks being the exploited, the excluded
and...the exterminated in society", but I do not think that I should be
blamed today for something that happened two hundred years ago.  Whites who
enslaved blacks had their reasons, and whether they be racial or economic,
I do not agree with them and do not feel obligated to take the blame for
what the founders of this nation did to black slaves two hundred years
ago.  At times I feel that the slavery issue of racism is, simply put, a
way to evoke guilt in whites.  If blacks would stop placing blame for
everything on whites, the solution to the problem of racism could be closer
than it is.
     Another issue that Bell addresses is a "separate but equal" school
system for black children so that the quality of education for blacks is
improved.  In my all white school of 250, there was always the problem of
some children not getting the same quality of education as others.  This
was due to teachers teaching down to some students and teaching up to other
students.  A few kids at my school were poor and some teachers taught to
them like they were completely ignorant when the only thing different about
them was the amount of money their parents made.  When children, black or
white, are taught that they are no good, even if they are brilliant, they
will act no good.  Teach up to all children, they will feel better about
themselves and they will learn more.  If it turns out that a segregated
school system is what is best for the children, then that is fine.  But if
all black schools are okay, then so are all white schools.  No white should
be labelled as racist if, in turn, they want all white schools.  No one
should ever be prohibited from going to school anywhere they want though,
it should never be all or nothing.
     Bell's book brought out a lot of issues about racism that I never
noticed before.  Although I do not agree with all of his arguments and
conclusions, the issues he explores are very important.  I really have no
experience with racism so some of my views may not even be fully
developed.  What I do know is that no one should be treated differently on
the basis of the color of their skin and that I wish there was an instant
solution to racism. If we want equality, then everyone should be treated
equally no matter what color, sex or ethnicity.
----
Nicole L. Besse
nlbesse
Illinois State University


Reply-To: mmrosia@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
From: ("Melanie Marie Rosiak") 
Subject: review: And We Are Not Saved (Rosiak)
                Review of Derrick Bell, AND WE ARE NOT SAVED
                          (Basic Books,1987)
                             Reviewed By:
                            Melanie Rosiak
                      Illinois State University
                          February 5, 1995

     And We Are Not Saved is creatively written, has superb style, and
provides interesting stories.  From the Prologue to the Appendix, Derrick
Bell arouses emotions, and raises thought provoking questions.  The
underlying question however, is who is to blame for the racial injustices in
America.
     This question arises in each section of the novel.  Each chapter
contains a chronicle, a made up story to demonstrate injustices blacks
have incurred due to a white oppressive land.  Following the
chronicle, two characters, the narrator-a former civil rights lawyer, now
law professor, and Geneva Crenshaw-an old lawyer friend from the civil
rights movement, debate what really took place in the chronicle and how
society would have actually reacted.
     The fault of this novel is the overwhelming emphasis Bell places on
white racism and oppression.  Although he raises many good points through
his stories, the discussions between the narrator and Geneva generally
focus on bashing whites.  Instead, he should focus on where the chronicle went
wrong, or try to discover how the situation could actually be changed.  Bell
continually charges that whites only help blacks in order to further their
own self-interested gain, and he even puts down the accomplishments of his
own race to further use white racism as a crutch.
     The chronicle of the slave scrolls, (chapter 9), exemplifies
the self-pity Bell poses on all blacks.  This story tells of the
discovery of a small ship, similar in construction of the old slave ships.
And inside this vessel lies three documents in which the slaves had written
describing how the slaves endured the terrible burdens of their lives.  The
words were seen as the secrets of survival.  As the story continues, it
tells how the pastor who had found the scrolls began to preach its message,
and black power was beginning to form based on the idea that we will show
the white people and we will overcome.  In the end of this chronicle, it
says that the white people felt threatened by this "black success," and then
were going to try and keep the black race down.  They passed racial
tolerance laws, and eventually forced the blacks to give over the scrolls,
and forced blacks back into their lowly state.
     Bell uses the above chronicle to show how no matter what blacks
do, the whites will destroy it to keep the blacks down.  The only logical
question then would be, by what name should we call all of these white Gods?
 Grange Copeland, the character in Alice Walker's novel said, "Nobody's as
powerful as we make them (whites) out to be.  We got our own souls, don't
we?"  If the white race is so great that it can pull down even the strongest
movement and convince blacks to doubt themselves and their race, why should
they even try to get ahead?  There is no doubt that racism does exist in
America, but is it really so great that it could hold back intelligent, hard
working members of the black community.  The answer is that the blacks are
strong, but continually feel less deserving than whites.
Whether this is brought on solely by racism that has been embedded in their
minds still needs to be proven.  Why else would a group get so far ahead,
and prove so much to themselves and even to whites, and then just merely
give up?  This chronicle did not portray the oppression by whites as much as
it portrayed the power blacks give to whites.
     As Derrick Bell stated, oppression was built into the Constitution.
However, over the years, the law has changed in an effort to revamp the
white dominated environment.  Laws have been passed banning segregation and
providing equal rights, programs set up in order to ensure fair
hiring practices, and additional aid has been provided to help those of the
lowest class.  And, although these programs and laws are not perfect, they
are working to correct the wrongs of the past.  A quotation from the novel
illustrates my point, "litigation may be a leaky boat whose engine has run
out of gas, but one can still paddle through treacherous waters.  It's
prudent to be aware of all of the boat's defects, making adjustments for
them, even trying to fix a few of them as time permits.  But it is not
prudent to abandon the boat, particularly if you can't swim to shore."
     On p.14, Bell criticizes those that feel blacks need to help better their own
situation.  He says, "Today, as policy makers again seek to abandon civil
rights enforcement, certain experts assert that the plight of blacks is the
fault of blacks or of the social programs on which the poor rely.  When such
claims are expounded by blacks, they obtain a deceptive authenticity.  Such
blacks, knowingly or not, dispense a product that fills the present national
need for outrageous anti-black comment."  Bell does not present a solution
to end his 'oppression,' yet he criticizes those blacks that are trying to
improve the situation for the race.  If no black people take action in some
form to ensure their equality to the white race, then would anything ever
be done, or would the black race be harmed even more.
     Derrick Bell claims that whites are to blame for all of the problems of
the black race.  He states that there is no way to get around racism, yet he
does not have a solution to fix it either.  On p. 204, the narrator says,
"I certainly don't want to condone wife cheating, wife beating, and all the
other forms of abuse--even though one needn't be a psychologist to recognize
that much of this conduct is the manifestation of frustration with racism."
How much can you blame on the white race?  Do white men not abuse?  The
answer is obviously yes.  It is time for everyone to stand up and take
responsibility for their actions.
     "America's continuing commitment to white domination looms especially
large for those citizens of color whose lives are little less circumscribed
than were those of their slave forebears." (p.4)  This statement is simply
untrue.  Unlike slaves, blacks are able to vote, and their vote counts as a
citizen of the United Sates of America.  They are permitted to have
independent families, and own property.  They are also paid employees, are
able to employ whites as workers for them, and are permitted to hold even
the highest of elected offices.
     Bell's view on racial injustice is extremely biased and gives little
regard to all of the advancements made by the black community.  If he feels
that the injustices against blacks are so gross, then he should at least
offer some solution to remedy the situation.  It is easy to sit back and
complain about the faults, but it takes a true desire to want to better
one's situation to actually stand up and do something about it.  Racial
injustices do occur, but is that really the only reasons blacks have not
advanced as far as they had hoped?

Reply-To: CRFTHOMPSWL@CRF.CUIS.EDU
From: CRFTHOMPSWL@CRF.CUIS.EDU
Subject: Derrick Bell's AND WE ARE NOT SAVED
Sorry for the lengthy posting.  I hope the importance of the issues raised make
it worth the read (5 paragraphs).

Normally, I am a simple lurker on this list.  I enjoy reading the reviews and
considering the thoughtful, provocative commentary.  This time I simply
couldn't resist commenting on the two most recent reviews of Bell's _AND WE ARE
NOT SAVED_.  The reviews by Nicolle Besse and Melanie Rosicek seem naive and
epitomize white denial of racism.  I am used to hearing the argument that
persons of color had better quit their whining, roll up their sleeves, quit
blaming whites and get down to business in this promised land of opportunity. 
These victim-blaming arguments are the stock-in-trade of white, suburbanites
such as Pate Phillip, leader of the suburban, "white flight"
Republican majority in the Illinois Senate who consistently claims blacks are
poor because they lack a work ethic.  But to hear the same arguments from
social science students in a book review symposium frightens me.  Sometimes I
think that white people "just don't get it."

Why do I assume these reviews were written by whites?  First off, I teach a
graduate course at Concordia University in River Forest, IL on race relations. 
About one-half of my students in that course are persons of color, primarily
Chicago city school teachers working on master's degrees.  In that course, we
engage in anti-racism "training," as well as the usual cognitive engagement
with the subject.  An anti-racist approach assumes that there are three,
distinct layers of racism: personal forms such as prejudice, institutional
forms which can be both formal and informal such as slavery or real estate
block busting, and cultural racism which roughly refers to collective
preferences according to color.  Most whites
in my experience have a failure to think beyond the individualistic default in
our culture, so if they admit racism exists at all, it is a matter of one
person being prejudiced or discriminating against another.  Those in oppressed
groups such as communities of color usually perceive racism as systemic.  The
default reaction of the oppressed to this systemic, unescapable racism is
internalization, such as "passing" for white, accepting white standards of
beauty, oppressing other persons of color through verbal, emotional, and
physical violence, and other forms of acceptance of this system.  Black people
often claim that whites are out to get them; conspiratorial thinking is the
cultural mechanism most prevalent within communities of African descent in this
society.  Can't imagine why Blacks think whites are out to get them?  Perhaps
the brutal oppression and exclusion from white-dominated institutions over four
hundred years has something to do with it.  But Besse and Rosicek join the
cacophony of white America telling them to quit whining -- after all, it's a
beautiful world out there...

White racism refers not to personal forms of bigotry, but to a social and
cultural system designed to benefit whites.  Besse and Rosicek, along with most
of white America, jerk into denial: "Well, those were other white people, not
me!  Even if it was my Grandpa, that was his fault.  Surely you aren't gonna
tax me for the sins of Grandma and Grandpa!".   One important _SYSTEMIC_
dimension of this _COLLECTIVE_ denial is white flight to the suburbs.  Inner
city communities populated by persons of color comprise "internal"
reservations created by four hundred years of _SYSTEMIC_ domination and
brutalization of persons of color.  White flight represents a kind of
collective "black out," or selective remembering.  The conditions in ghetto
communities are unspeakable in a democracy: inner city school districts spend
less than one-half per pupil what is spent in wealthier, suburban communities. 
Why?  A system of taxation in which local taxes pay for local schools.  Perhaps
Besse and Rosicek didn't create this _STRUCTURAL_, _INSTITUTIONALIZED_ reality
personally, but their white forbears did establish a system of race privilege
for whites.  Europeans came to North America and built this society through the
enslavement of one people and the near genocide of another.  That whites
continue to live in the bizarre myth of individual initiative and blame is an
aspect of white denial that their privilege in our society is due to some
unspeakable things done _IN OUR NAME_, and _WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION_.  

Why don't white people, even white social science students, understand racism
in systemic terms?  Why do whites continue to blame the victims of white racism
(Bell simply means institutionalized privilege favoring whites by the term
"white racism.")  Because, as Bell assumes, as long as whites are "drunk" on
the benefits of a racist system, the individualistic world view, especially as
applied to racism, provides a collective justification for accepting the status
quo and pointing the finger back at the victims.  This is why Bell assumes that
white racism is a permanent, structural reality in American society and
culture.  Personally, I agree with Professor Cornell West, Rev. Joseph Barndt
(_DISMANTLING RACISM_, Augsburg Press), and others who think the way out of this
mess is a cultural transformation of identity among whites.  This
transformation can only occur when whites get as angry about what racism has
done to them as Blacks and other persons of color are about what it has done to
them.  On a spiritual level (part of culture), racism has deeply implicated
whites and damaged them by forcing them into the oppressor role automatically,
because the benefits of institutional racism accrue automatically for whites
(do white people get followed around when they enter stores?; will white people
with a Ph.D. ever be told they are a "credit to their race?").  This degrades
the humanity of whites and violates deeply held cultural and religious values
of equality of all people in western culture (try reading the Hebrew story of
EXODUS from a political, instead of a spiritual angle).

Until whites quit denying that they benefit from racism and are spiritually
damaged by accepting the status quo, they fulfill Bell's argument that whites
assume "with racism I gain; with the end of racism, I lose."  By realizing how
denial and white skin privilege (albeit put in place by Grandpa, not by me)
force whites to live an enormous LIE about how they gained their status in this
society, white people can begin to break out of their cultural and spiritual
bondage and heal the damage racism has done to them.  When whites
begin to say "With the end of racism, I gain," then Bell's prediction of the
permanence of racism will go unfulfilled.  If that ever happens, white people
can be honest with themselves and with their brothers and sisters of color. 
Perhaps then white people can take their seats at the multicultural table on an
authentic basis.  Until then, along with Besse and Rosicek, those of us of
European descent must go on living in our fantasy world of denial and the
spiritual wound of the denial of racism  will continue to fester like a cancer.

Wayne Luther Thompson
Dept. of Sociology
Concordia University
River Forest IL
CRFTHOMPSWL@CUIS.CRF.EDU


Reply-To: rhuck@templar.fgi.net
From: Robert Huck 
Subject: Derrick Bell
I was intrigued by Wayne Thompson's response to the recent Derrick Bell 
reviews.  I would like to address a few of Thompson's points.

I do not think that either Ms. Besse or Ms. Rosicek were attempting to 
place blame.  I just re-read both of their reviews and nowhere did I see 
any statements to the effect that black Americans should quit whining and 
just pull themselves up by their bootstraps.  What I read was a criticism 
of Bell's inability to offer solutions to the problem of racism.

This is not to say that Mr. Thompson had no valid points.  Of course 
there are many forms of racism other than personal prejudice.  But in 
focusing on systemic racism, Thompson falls into the same trap that 
engulfed Bell.  Thompson spoke only of a "cultural transformation of 
identity among whites".  Just what does this mean?  I hate to sound 
patronizing, but how is this change supposed to take place?  What should 
we do to bring it about.  Thompson speaks of getting angry, but anger 
alone solves nothing.

I am also disturbed by white flight, but it is about 20 years too late to 
protest this.  White flight is a fait accompli.  We might as well try to 
prevent World War II.  We can't force whites to move back to the cities 
their parents and grandparents abandoned in the '60s and '70s.  Again, 
how do you reverse a historical fact?  As a history student, I have yet 
to see any successful attempt to revive the past.

Finally, Thompson was completely wrong about the problems of inner-city 
schools.  Yes, they are horrible places, but spending more money will do 
nothing.  Thompson points out correctly that Chicago schools spend 
less-then half of what suburban schools spend, but he fails to mention 
that they spend more than the state average.  Catholic schools spend less 
than suburban schools, but no one would call their education programs 
inferior.  The problem with schools like the ones in Chicago's poorest 
neighborhoods is that they do not exist in a vacuum.  I had a friend who 
taught at a school in a very poor neighborhood in Chicago (Dvorak 
Elementary School for those familiar with Chicago schools).  He once had 
to prevent a 2nd-grader from hitting a girl with a broken beer bottle.  
He had the windows of his classroom shot out.  He was threatened with 
bodily harm on several occasions, including his first day at school.  He 
was assaulted by a parent because he demanded that her child do her 
homework.  I fail to see how more money would change any of that.


Robert Huck					rhuck@templar.fgi.net

"German ought to be gently and reverently set aside among the dead
languages, for only the dead have time to learn it."
					Mark Twain



From: Johnna Jackson 
Subject: Review: Derrick Bell (Jackson)
Review of Derrick Bell, FACES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL
Reviewed by Johnna Jackson,
jmjacks@acadcomp.cmp.ilstu.edu
Illinois State University
2-7-96


        Derrick Bell scratches the surface of the angst and woes of every
variety of African-American and then delves into their dreams of the past
and hopes for the present and future.  There are two themes throughout this
book.  One is that racism is a permanent and indestructible part of our
society; the other, that white people won't help out African-Americans
unless it benefits them in some way.

        Each chapter weaves a fictitious story with true situations in the
present time.  Bell's stories may be fictitious, but he refers to true court
rulings of the past, such as Brown vs. Board of Education, to prove his
points and to point out ironies in our society.  Bell uses irony himself by
expressing ideas on increasing equality in one chapter and then in the next
chapter he writes about how hopeless our society is and that racism is here
to stay.

        The story of "The Afrolantica Awakening", (Chapter Two) entwines
hope, confusion and conflict.  The idea that only African-Americans could
live on an island that pops up off the coast of the United States gives some
African-Americans in the story a sense of great pride and hope.  While on
the other hand some African-Americans thought leaving America for this
island would be a mistake because the United States is their home as much as
the whites.  The whites in the story began to fear the African-Americans new
found confidence and race riots broke out.  The pro-emigration groups
overcame many obstacles, such as the government, to make their journey.
When the time comes the island sinks before their eyes and they are forced
to turn back.  Amazingly though they turn back with a sense of pride and
liberation.  The point of the story is that these people worked as a
community and at least had the strength to look for something better and
they no longer had to see themselves as victims.  That even though
African-Americans may never get out from under the oppressiveness of
America, by keeping the struggle for equality and freedom alive they achieve
a kind of redemption.

        All through the book Bell argues different views and ideas with a
woman named Geneva Crenshaw, who is a civil rights lawyer, the same as bell.
Geneva seems to just appear out of thin air and seems to be a part of Bell
himself.  It's as if she is his alter ego because she plays devil's advocate
every time she appears.  Her place in the book is to make Bell question
himself, which is where all of the contradiction between hope and
hopelessness comes to a head.

        Bell does a good job of giving African-Americans a sense of pride
and purpose and maybe just a little bit of hope.  He shows what a nasty scab
racism is on America.  This book was easy to read and easy to associate
with.  Bell gets his point across and, in some cases, keeps the reader
wanting more.
--
Johnna Jackson
JMJACKS@acadcomp.cmp.ilstu.edu


Reply-To: hmsaube@acadcomp.cmp.ilstu.edu
From: "Heather M. Sauber" 
Subject: Review: Derrick Bell (Sauber)
Review of Derrick Bell
Faces at the Bottom of the Well (Basic Books, 1992)
Reviewed By:  Heather M. Sauber
Illinois State University
February 8, 1996

        In the chilling work of fiction, Derrick Bell seeks to convince the
reader of the persistence and prevalence of racism.  Racism has become the
backbone of our society and will continue for many years to come.  In Faces
at the Bottom of the Well, Bell uses fantasies as well as the help of his
"imaginary" friend Geneva to help the reader gain more insight into the
topic at hand.

        Geneva Crenshaw is a fictional character created in Bell's mind.
Even though she does not really exist, Bell seems as if he truly loves her.
Geneva IS Bell.  She is the part of him that questions social institutions,
feelings of lost and disparity and even asks him what he believes.

        An example of Geneva's power within Bell is noticed in chapter six,
entitled Rules of Racial Standing.  These rules include black's statements
are deemed as special pleading and thus not entitled to serious
consideration.  Another is black victims of racism are less effective
witnesses than are whites. Geneva acts as though the "answers received on
the mount" are her argument bringing Bell around to her way of seeing.  She
as well as Bell believes that the message on the computer screen is a rule
all blacks must follow, "Speak Up, Ike, an 'spress yo'se'f".
 
        Bell's stories include a conversation between Bell, a black law
professor on his way to a convention and a simple limousine driver who helps
show Bell the light of racism in this divided country.  Another includes the
beginning of an exodus, to move African-Americans to their own island in the
middle of the Atlantic Ocean, and an alien spaceship that travels to ask the
American people to give up its population of African-Americans in exchange
for the resources they need to continue their lifestyles and society.
 
      Bell is pessimistic.  He truly believes through the voice of Geneva,
that African-Americans have no hope of racial equality in this country
because whites insist on holding them down.  The reason Bell gives for the
white race's constantly beating is because whites feel as though they need
to be superior to any type of people.  He does not give much information on
other ethnic groups or minorities that also call this country their home.

        Because Bell says so little about other minorities, I have the
feeling that he feels that the only race being discriminated against in this
country are blacks.  In my opinion as well as the opinion of many others,
that this is not necessarily the case, as well as racism there is also
sexism, classism and ethnic inequality.  This country is full of
hypocritical people who will shake your hand and stab you in the back if you
are Puerto Rican, female, on welfare or black.

        Bell tells blacks that they must rely on their history and pride to
show them where they have been and where they are going.  He states that,
"Now there is more here than confrontation with our oppressors.  Continued
struggle can bring about unexpected benefits and gains that in themselves
justify continued endeavor" (199).

        I did find one comparison Bell made in this book as very interesting
and easily misunderstood.  Bell gave the example of this Nation of Islam
Minister Louis Farrakhan.  He states that he is often prejudged by others
because he tells it like it is and the white people can not accept this
because they are afraid of his boldness, and even stated that "fear is not
rational" (121).  Black people are expected to denounce Rev. Farrakhan,
because he makes inflammatory remarks that are aimed at other races and
religions.  Black's who are quick to condemn him are seen as "all right" in
the eyes of the white man, while those who are not are considered to be just
as "hateful".  Geneva makes the comment that it is not hate that fuels Rev.
Farrakhan, instead it is his perceptions of the problems of racism in
American Society.  

        Bell's fictional account of the "run in" with the limousine driver
is the perfect opening chapter.  The driver acts as an awakening for Bell,
he accurately states the troubles that the black men who have not "sold out"
to the white man really feel.  "From the Emancipation Proclamation on, the
Man been handing us a bunch of bogus freedom checks he never intends to
honor (19).

        Dr. King's holiday was not so much an answer to a racial problem but
more of a sacrifice white government had to enact.  Bell's final
statement-one that rings true through the book, is that a black person does
not need an education to understand where he is and where he has been, he
only needs to look at the racism around him (I use he in the most generic of
terms).

        In my opinion chapter four, "The Last Black Hero" accurately
describes the fear of black women, and more importantly the fear that blacks
in general face.  The black women as well as anti-racist black feel as
though they are losing all their saviors and men to white women, white
causes, and a fear of being left behind in the white world.    

        Many of the things that Bell says in this book leave me with a grave
sense of guilt.  Bell implies that the white man has only helped the black
man so that he could once again be shown as the superior race.  Just when I
had thought that as a person, and more importantly a representative of my
race, have tried to face the problem of racism with an open mind.  I feel as
though I am compelled to do either one of two things, either fight for
equality with more of a vengeance or close my eyes and say that I as one
person can not solve the persistence of racism.
Sincerely

Heather Sauber

Reply-To: jmjacks@acadcomp.cmp.ilstu.edu
From: Johnna Jackson 
To: gmklass@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
Subject: Review: Derrick Bell (Jackson)
Review of Derrick Bell, FACES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL
Reviewed by Johnna Jackson,
jmjacks@acadcomp.cmp.ilstu.edu
Illinois State University
2-7-96


        Derrick Bell scratches the surface of the angst and woes of every
variety of African-American and then delves into their dreams of the past
and hopes for the present and future.  There are two themes throughout this
book.  One is that racism is a permanent and indestructible part of our
society; the other, that white people won't help out African-Americans
unless it benefits them in some way.

        Each chapter weaves a fictitious story with true situations in the
present time.  Bell's stories may be fictitious, but he refers to true court
rulings of the past, such as Brown vs. Board of Education, to prove his
points and to point out ironies in our society.  Bell uses irony himself by
expressing ideas on increasing equality in one chapter and then in the next
chapter he writes about how hopeless our society is and that racism is here
to stay.

        The story of "The Afrolantica Awakening", (Chapter Two) entwines
hope, confusion and conflict.  The idea that only African-Americans could
live on an island that pops up off the coast of the United States gives some
African-Americans in the story a sense of great pride and hope.  While on
the other hand some African-Americans thought leaving America for this
island would be a mistake because the United States is their home as much as
the whites.  The whites in the story began to fear the African-Americans new
found confidence and race riots broke out.  The pro-emigration groups
overcame many obstacles, such as the government, to make their journey.
When the time comes the island sinks before their eyes and they are forced
to turn back.  Amazingly though they turn back with a sense of pride and
liberation.  The point of the story is that these people worked as a
community and at least had the strength to look for something better and
they no longer had to see themselves as victims.  That even though
African-Americans may never get out from under the oppressiveness of
America, by keeping the struggle for equality and freedom alive they achieve
a kind of redemption.

        All through the book Bell argues different views and ideas with a
woman named Geneva Crenshaw, who is a civil rights lawyer, the same as bell.
Geneva seems to just appear out of thin air and seems to be a part of Bell
himself.  It's as if she is his alter ego because she plays devil's advocate
every time she appears.  Her place in the book is to make Bell question
himself, which is where all of the contradiction between hope and
hopelessness comes to a head.

        Bell does a good job of giving African-Americans a sense of pride
and purpose and maybe just a little bit of hope.  He shows what a nasty scab
racism is on America.  This book was easy to read and easy to associate
with.  Bell gets his point across and, in some cases, keeps the reader
wanting more.
--
Johnna Jackson
JMJACKS@acadcomp.cmp.ilstu.edu


From: "Erik S. Weidner" 
Subject: Faces at the Bottom of the Well
Erik S. Weidner
Political Science Department
Illinois State University
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Derrick Bell Faces at the Bottom of the Well: The Permanence of Racism
HarperCollins Publishers
ISBN: 0-465-06817-0  Cloth
Publication Date:  1992
  The book "Faces at the Bottom of the Well" by Derrick Bell is a very
 interesting way to put across your view points.  Tell shorts stories with a
 meaning instead of preaching at people.  I enjoyed the short story part of
 the book.

20

 The Preface and Introduction are to me a restating of the obvious an I
 found this part of the book rather boring.  The following are some examples
 of either this restatement of commonly known facts or questions that, I
 feel insult our intelligence:20

20

 In the very beginning of the book Bell says that the poorest whites
 "deliverance depends on letting down their ropes" in order to help both
 themselves and the poor blacks.  Why would poor whites; who probably live
 in the south and hate black people, or "niggers", as they would cal them;
 have any desire to help the poor blacks?


 Other than for the authors own satisfaction, why would he write, pled and
 argue for equality if he believed that, "racism is an integral, permanent,
 and20

indestructible component of this society?"


 So far it appears that Bell is stating something that any semi-intelligent
 person already knows - that racial discrimination is a very elaborate, well
 concealed part of our every day social workings.


 	      The "us v. them" mentality, mentioned in the introduction, is often
 	applied during economic hard times is a scapegoat often used to keep 	the
 blacks down and the poor whites happy that they are not black.


I did like the Epilogue though because it asked new questions and brought
 new insight to an issue that needs a new way of looking at old, bad ideas. 
 Not bad in the sense that what blacks want, true freedom, (that is not
 bad), but bad in the sense that the approaches taken to ensure that
 "freedom" are not working and something else needs to be tried.


 I will give a brief overview of each chapter because I feel that this will
 be helpful in discussing Bell and his ideas.

 In "Racial Symbols: A limited Legacy," it is said that many times the
 blacks are given symbolic victories in order to pacify them into obedience.
  Such "victories" would include, but not limited to, a national holiday for
 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., desegregation of our schools, the civil rights
 movement and even something so trivial as BET (Black Entertainment
 Television) or Miss Black America.  Throw em92 a little scrape so they92l
l keep quite.




 In "The Afrolantica Awakening" was an attempt at showing how society would
 not let Black America have anything of value unless they profited ten fold
 from their fortune.  It also showed that trying to improve your condition
 and failing is better than not trying at all.




 The "Racial Licensing Act" keeps referring to 91morals-policing92 laws as
 a justification for licensing discrimination.  Citing that other such laws
 as: alcohol prohibition, antigambling, etc. as failures an that this is the
 only solution.  Making people pay for money in advance for the right to be
 able to discriminate.  Again the argument that ALL "civil rights laws or
 constitutional provisions" only benefit the whites.  The black community
 may benefit a little but only if the white community benefits a lot.  White
 self-interest lawmaking.  Nepotism - giving  preferential treatment to
 family members.  Advantages to RLA:

		1.)	 Allows the right of non-association, if someone does not 		want to be
 around a certain group of people then they don92t 			have to.

		2.) 	Public admission of racial discriminatory actions along 		with the
 high payments for that "right," not only do they have 		to admit publicly
 that they are racists, but they have to pay 			big bucks for that
 privilege.

		3.)	 Blacks will know up front if they will be discriminated 		against and
 won92t have to waste their time in that establishment.














 In "The Last Black Hero" the dilemma that Jason is facing is that of
 interracial marriage and how both side of the fence see his decision, a
 black man, marrying a white women.  The whites see it as, other than
 unthinkable and disgusting, a relief, that the teeth have been taken out of
 the black militant attitude.  For now he is with a white so surely he can
 not be as radical.  The blacks,  especially black women, felt betrayed and
 as if Jason were a sell out.




 In "Divining a Racial Realism Theory" the author meets up with Erika
 Wechsler a white female who is a member of WCBS (White Citizens for Black
 Survival).  This group, sometimes known as John Browns92 Brigade, is a
 type of 20th century underground railroad.  Erika describes her groups two
 "pronged" mission.  The first, is to create a racial realism.  That is to
 get blacks to understand that other than just being "historical
 scapegoats," blacks are on the verge of being exterminated by whites. 
 After this is realized then the WBCS goes into phase two, "to build a
 nation wide network of secret shelters to house and feed black people in
 the event of a black holocaust."  During the story the professor (who never
 introduces himself to Erika, and we see why in the end) and Erika have many
 deep discussions about racial problems in our country.  These discussions
 are but justification that the WBCS should be taken seriously.  But in the
 end we see that this was also a ploy on Geneva92s part to see if the
 author, unlike Jason, could maintain a proper relationship with a white
 women."





 In "The Rules of Racial Standing" Bell describes for us the five rules of
 racial standing and uses examples from the not so distant past the show how
 these rules are truly rules of our society.

 Rule #1 - "No matter what their expertise black statements are deemed as
 91special pleading92 and thus not entitled to serious consideration." 
 The example used is that of Ralph Ellison92s book Invisible Man.

 Rule #2 - "Not only are black complaints discounted, but black victims of
 racism less effective witnesses than are whites, who are members of the
 oppressor class."  The example was that of Brown v. Board of Education.

 Rule #3 - Similar to rule #1 except that a black person can have
 credibility when speaking out against another black person that is doing
 something that upsets white people.  The example used is Clarence Thomas92
 appointment to the Supreme Court (he opposed affirmative action).

 Rule #4 - When blacks get uppity whites find other blacks that will condemn
 their (the uppity blacks) actions.  Those recruited will have
 91superstanding status92 while those that decline will be punished.  The
 example given is that of Muslim minister Louis Farrakhan.

 Rule #5 - The truth that the knowledge will lead to frustration and no
 chance of repeal.  In other words,  there is no possibility of change for
 blacks.





 In "Racism92s Secret Bonding" Bell tells us of a 91data storm92 that
 enlightens White America to the plight of the black person.  The
 frustrations of discrimination, under education, unemployment, low wages
 and poor housing conditions.  These are not the only injustices, just some
 of the more glaring.  Bell then goes on to talk about how whites know what
 they are doing and encourage it.  There is an unspoken pact to keep blacks
 at the bottom so as to keep social and economic stability.  This pact is
 how, in Bell92s view, all whites are bonded by racism





 In the "The Space Traders" I could go into who betrayed who and who was
 considered to be an "Uncle Tom" and for what reason the blacks were
 allowed, or should I say forced, into leaving "the New World as their
 forebears had arrived," (fearful and in chains).  Instead I will simply ask
 the same questions that the author did (rephrased slightly):  Would you
 stay someplace that you knew would persecute you even more than now, and
 probably kill you for their continued plight?  and  Would you send away
 millions of innocent people, not knowing if they would be turned into
 slaves or even murdered, just to receive a better way of life?




ERIK  :)



Erik S. Weidner

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Erik Weidner's review of Derrick Bell was at times intriguing, at times
provocative.  He claims that some of Bell's thesis is "restating the obvious." 
Curious choice of words.  Legendary sociologist C. Wright Mills in his seminal
piece "The Sociological Imagination" used the exact same phrase to describe
the enterprise, craft and science of sociology.  Sometimes, Erik, the obvious
bears restatement.  In the case of this book, you noticed that the use of story
is the medium through which cultural and structural analysis of race relations
is approached.  

In "Space Travellers," a story in which visitors from beyond offer to purchase
all African Americans and give white America only days to decide, I believe
Erik misses the point.  This story is being used by anti-racism trainers from
Crossroads Ministry of Chicago and People's Institute for Survival and Beyond
in multicultural consulting situations with churches and community groups.  As
these organizations tell it, Bell was suggesting that the story has already
occurred in America.  White Americans have already sold African Americans for
their thirty pieces of silver.  What happened between the ancient Egyptians and
Hebrews resulted in utter hopelessness for race relations in that society.  In
"Space Travellers," we play a game of Twilight Zone proportions in which a
futuristic science fiction story is really a reflection of what has already
happened in our midst.  Will the future of race relations in the United States
turn out like Bell's high-tech science fiction yarn or like ancient Egypt?  

Bell suggests structural changes will better the state of race relations in
America.  Only when Americans of European descent come to grips with terrible
things that were done in their name to give them a better life at the expense
of people of color will they be willing to remove the obstacles to full access
to the American dream for all Americans.  Living with this "secret" and the
resulting denial of responsibility is what puts a wall between whites and
African Americans and other people of color.  In the process, white America can
heal itself and come to the multicultural table on a more honest basis. 
Perhaps then trust can be reestablished and we could build a truly
multicultural society.  The healing of which Bell often speaks is a cultural
process; dismantling the privileges of being white in this society is a
structural one.  Both are necessary to move beyond the impasse and boundaries
of race in America.  

Besides raising a number of interesting issues, I did find Erik's review to be
difficult to read, due both to cryptic and elliptical prose and to some
binary-type characters being inserted throughout the text.  Did you type this
on a word processing program?

Wayne Thompson
Sociology Dept.
Concordia University
River Forest IL 60305-1499
(708)209-4075
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In a dialogue about my reaction to Erik's review of Bell's "Faces...," Doug
Kershaw asks about the limits of white guilt and shame.  

Whites weren't 'white' until they engaged in denial of responsibility for
systemic racism in North America.  Forgetting European roots (religion,
culture, history, communalism) fuels denial of responsibility.  How?  I would
argue that responsibility must be communal.  After all, the God of the
Abrahamic religions (Islam, Judaism, Christianity) often spoke to Israel, not
to particular Hebrews per se.  Jews acknowledge this in the holiday of Yom
Kippur -- if one of us in our community has sinned, failed or is in pain, on
some level the entire community needs to ask how this could have happened, how
we all failed.  It is only in developed, modernized, urban societies where the
notion of the individual emerges at all.  So, the responsibility for the
problem of racism and its solution must be collective, not merely individual.

Personal responsibility for racism is a waste of time and a divergence from the
real issues.  Making people feel guilty, on a personal level, does not
dismantle systemic, institutionalized racism.  People of European descent need
to claim responsibility on both personal and cultural levels for the unfair
advantages of being born "white" (and/or male) into this society.  The key
point here is that Euro-Americans continue to benefit in 1997 from things done
in their name in the proximate and remote past.  To deny that is at the heart
of white flight to the suburbs and other forms of running away from our true
heritage as oppressors.  Perhaps I didn't discriminate, I didn't enslave.  But,
to be fair, as an American of Swedish ancestry, I do reap the bennies of those
actions done in my name.  European-Americans cannot begin to break out from the
prison of systemic white racism until they morally come to terms with this
legacy.  Contrary to the extreme individualism of our culture, white people in
1997 did come from somewhere; our privileges in this society were created
unfairly, through the enslavement of one people and the near genocide of
another.  

As Martin Luther King said often to white volunteers in the freedom struggle
for civil rights, "white man (woman), go home and heal your own people."  It is
not only people of color who are damaged goods because of racism.  White people
have forgotten their true heritage, including not only systemic racism
established in their name but also many among us who have resisted against
racism.  The function of a racist system is to socialize the next generation of
oppressors who deny that the system favors them, that they directly benefit
from the racist actions of their forebears.  When whites realize that racism
cuts them off from their brothers and sisters of color, and from an honest
recollection of their cultural identity and heritage, then they can begin to
heal, too.  Coming to the multicultural table on that more honest basis is the
only way people of color will begin to trust us again, so together we can
struggle against oppression and dismantle the privileges that are now the
birthright of European Americans.  Racism is a prison.  Rethinking our past and
putting our cultural identity on an anti-racist plane is the key to unlocking
the prison door.

Peace,

Wayne Luther Thompson, Ph.D. and budding anti-racist
Dept. of Sociology and Social Work
Concordia University
River Forest IL 60305-1499
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Derrick Bell, FACES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL                                
reviewed by: Juan J. Ortiz

                                                                             
        One could easily read Derek Bell's book and think that there is no 
hope for blacks in America.  His preface alone could give that impression 
but, this book is not about cynicism it is about giving another voice to a 
problem that has existed for hundreds of years.  The problem of race 
relations Bell argues has become an integral part of the American way of 
life.  This fixture in American culture is a problem Bell addresses in his 
book in a very intellectual and entertaining manner.


     The book itself is compromised of nine different short stories.  Each 
story is different and touches on a variety of subjects, I believe this is 
what makes this such a good book.    He presents these stories in a variety 
of styles yet, keeps on a single theme.  Each story presented is used to 
illustrate how the problem of racism is an integral part of American 
culture.  Bell touches on many different aspects of the race problem in his 
stories.  He touches on economic issues, inter-racial dating, and job 
advancement.  Each story could almost be seen as a parable.  A parable of 
course tries to teach us something and I believe that's all Bell is  really 
trying to do.

     "The Afrolantica Awakening" is one of the best short stories in Bell's 
book.  In this story Bell tells of an island that arises from the ocean off 
the coast of South Carolina.  This new island is filled with natural 
resources and is described as a paradise.  There is only one problem, no one 
can get close enough to the island to survey it and really see what's going 
on that is, all except black Americans.  This new island black Americans 
come to believe is their version of the Jewish promiseland.  In the story 
Bell tries to make a connection between the  island migration to the 
migration of blacks back to Africa in the early nineteen century and the 
nineteen-twenties.  He cites three specific black Americans who, in their 
earlier attempts to return to Africa were either successful or had some 
measure of success.  In the story Bell goes on to describe how the United 
States Government is willing to pay blacks to move to the island.  The black 
community comes together and is ready and willing to move to the island when 
disaster strikes.  On the eve of their departure the island sinks back into 
the ocean and is never to be seen again.  This story I believe shows two 
different points one negative and one positive.

     The positive point I believe is the coming together of the black 
community to accomplish the goal of moving to the island.  There is always 
talk of the lack of black unity among black leaders.  This story though, not 
factual still shows that when people work towards a common goal it can be 
accomplished.  I believe that this is what Bell is trying to get at.  Even 
though the Island disappeared it showed that black unity was not an 
unattainable goal but, one that is out of reach due to lack of participation 
among some blacks.  The negative aspect of this story seems to imply that 
America wants to rid itself of all black people.  This of course goes back 
to Bell being seen as cynical.  I believe at times that Bell feels so down 
trodden that he loses all hope and gives into paranoia.  This paranoia being 
that if given the chance white America would easily see itself free of all 
black people.

     "The Space Traders" another story in Bell's book deals with this theme 
exactly.  The story goes that aliens from another planet come to planet 
earth and particularly the United States.  The aliens arrive on January 
first and want to reach an agreement with the United States.  This agreement 
was that if the United States would give up their black citizens they in 
turn, would supply the United States with an unlimited energy supply, gold 
to bail out the economy, and a cure to the ailing environment.  The aliens 
give the United States fifteen days to decide the fate of it's black 
citizens.  The story then progresses to the United States proposing that 
black citizens be drafted to go with the aliens.  The president and his 
cabinet members see this as the only way.  The cabinet members seem to 
justify their motives by appealing to patriotism.  Patriotism for a country 
that has never shown full and equal respect for all of it's citizens.  As 
the days slowly go by black America begins to leave the country.  Black 
people fear the worst from the aliens and know what lies ahead for them if 
they don't get out.  The fifteen days are up and the United States is has 
decided to give up it's black citizens.  The aliens come back and unload the 
promised goods and take the remaining black population with it.

     This once again shows that Bell has a notion that if given the chance 
America would get rid of it's black citizens.  In this particular story 
though, it is science fiction, it doesn't give what I believe to be a 
realistic argument.  Even if there were no space aliens what if, another 
country proposed the same thing.  I don't believe, despite Bell's thinking 
that America would abandoned it's citizens in such a manner.  I believe the 
Unites States would look for other alternatives.  Perhaps it would try to 
get rid of people from another country before our own.  He also does not 
give enough credit to the black people as a whole.  We are not dealing with 
African bushmen who were lured in with trinkets.  Today we have very many 
strong black people who would oppose the idea of such a thing.  Though it is 
science fiction the question still remains.

     Derek Bell's book as a whole is trying to establish a very poignant 
argument.  That is despite the Civil Rights movement and all of the rhetoric 
between the races not much has changed since those days of the sixties.  
Sure we eat in the same places and we even go to the bathroom in the same 
places but, that's about it.  There is still unequal employment, unequal 
payment, unequal housing, and unequal education.  All of these things have 
been around for many years know and we all know it.  So why has nothing 
changed?

     Bell argues that even when changes are made, they may better the black 
population but, only to the advantage of  the white people.   There can be 
no equal footing in a society that refuses to let it's citizens reach the 
top.  This is where Bell gets the title for his book.  Were all in a 
hierarchical well with blacks being at the bottom.  Even though there may be 
whites who are just as  worse off they can always say "At least I'm not down 
there."  This is an attitude that has been ingrained on white America.  I 
believe Derek Bell has a right to be cynical at times.  After so many years 
of fighting for what he believes should come naturally and still doesn't see 
a path one could easily give up hope.  Bell's only hope lies in the 
cooperation of the races.

     Bell addresses the issue of racial cooperation in his story "Divining a 
Racial Realism Theory."  In this story Bell's charecter, a black lawyer, 
finds himself in a wooded area of Oregon relaxing and doing his work.  While 
making himself comfortable under a tree he is shot at.  When he comes to his 
senses he is approached by a white woman who introduces herself as Erika and 
apologizes for her mistake.  As the story line progresses we come to find 
out that she is a lawyer as well and is also running a  shelter group.  This 
group is devoted to the preservation of the black people in case of a "black 
holocaust."  She explains that her group also deals with making people aware 
of the black plight.  The story goes on as a discussion between the two 
charecters until they are approached by yet, another man.  This man however 
is not as friendly and is part of a group of men who are not very tolerant.  
Bell describes him  as wearing a WWI helmet complete with the point.  The 
man commands the two to move because he was going to take them to his 
commander to be punished.  Erika refuses to move and further explains that 
it would not look good if he were to kill a proffesional black lawyer.  The 
man leaves with only his ego bruised but, in one piece.  This story 
underscores what Bell sees as the only solution to the problem of racism.

     Bell believes only throuhg the cooperation of the races towards a 
better society can racism be stamped out.  Bell argues that only when the 
white people see that they too are negatively being affected by racism will 
change ever come about.  The white people of America have long been led to 
believe that racism in not about them but, about those that it affects.  
Only when the people of America realize that our country will never be equal 
as long as there are people on top who keep others down.                     
                                                                             
 I personally enjoyed this book and found it entertaining and enlightening.  
I must admit when I began to read this book I found it hard to place myself 
in the shoes of a blackman or woman.  Despite my Latino background I have 
never faced blatant racism.  I'm not sure on how I would react or even how 
to feel.  This book gave me a small glimpse of what it would be like.  Until 
faced with the ugly truth that Bell speaks of, I can only hope my time is 
not yet come.    Derek Bell's words should not be misconstrued but, should 
be looked at with great admiration for, he is only trying to do what the 
rest of us are trying to do.  Better ourselves, our community, and our 
country by opening peoples eyes to a problem that seems to be wearing 
sunglasses.                       
                        
  



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Derrick Bell, Faces At The Bottom Of The Well (Basic Books, 1992)

Review By:Don Martin

Mail to:damart1@odin.ilstu.edu.


     Racism and color consciousness have been two prevalent issues
throughout America's storied history. The undisputed fact that this
country was founded on racism, asserted by Bell, has set the stage for
experiences that Americans of all colors have faced. Although it may be
argued by some that the Constitution set forth values of liberty,
equality and the pursuit of happiness. The prior notions did not include
Blacks or even women, specifically including what amounted to White male
land owners. It was at this stage of American evolution that hypocrisy
began to permeate written ideological statutes. This is one of the many
issues Bell discusses throughout the course of the book- "law put in the
books is not necessarily law followed in action."

     Bell utilizes an unorthodox writing style to present personal views,
and those held by adversaries, on various topics relating to race.
Employing a number of "female alter-egos", Bell at times argues with
himself through the feminine personalities.  Intertwining both fact and
fiction, Bell leads the reader through a series of historical chronicles.
Although much of what Bell recounts of history is one of a personal
perspective, the message conveyed is clear- racism is a norm that has
been en grained in American society much like that of baseball, apple pie
and Chevrolet.

     One of the stories in which Bell uses somewhat of a metaphoric
analysis is "The Racial Preference Licensing Act." The act is similar to
the Environmental Protection Agency's regulation of pollution control.
Allowing companies to pollute the environment, but at a cost that may or
may not benefit them in the long-run. The race based act in which Bell
proposes allows "all employers, proprietors of public facilities, and
owners... of homes and apartments" to discriminate on the basis of color
upon application to the federal government. The license to practice
discrimination was expensive, however , not to the extent that it could
not feasibly be obtained. A 3% commission derived from income received
from employing and servicing customers on the basis of color and also the
licensing fees would be used to aid blacks in attaining socioeconomic
status. Although the policy would benefit Blacks, Bell recognizes through
one of the feminine personalities that many Blacks may not view the act
as progress, but as regression. Bell's ability to see the other side of
the coin, viewing issues from an entirely different perspective, is a
definite strong point

of the book.

     Bell expresses implicitly and explicitly that it is by no ordinary
means will Blacks accomplish the ends they wish to achieve. In terms of
the book, Bell's means of expressing personal perspectives are truly
unordinary-hence the continual utilization of metaphorical analysis. As
society rapidly changes in many phases the manner in which we confront
racial injustices must also change. Bells asserts that changes in the way
of a demand for more flexible legal forms and philosophies must accompany
the struggle for improved socioeconomic status for Blacks. Although I
agree the intent of such flexibility in regulations may in fact be that
of a positive nature, however, the possible outcomes of such flexibility
being used against Blacks may result. The old saying "be careful of what
you wish for because it might become true" comes to mind. A prime example
is  affirmative action legislation designed to aid Blacks in attaining
benefits shared by Whites is now, and has been for some time, standing in
the Supreme Court for Whites alleged to be discriminated against.

     How is it that the efforts to benefit Blacks seem to always benefit
Whites as well? Bell cites the Bakke case where the
Supreme Court invalidated the policy of a California medical school of
holding 10% of its openings for minorities. However, it seems that while
Bell supports flexible and expanded judicial and/or legislative
statutes,(as were the affirmative action when they were passed) when
these same statutes aid

Whites- Bell cries foul. Either this is a glaring contradiction or he is
ambiguous in determining how Blacks will benefit from contemporary
legislation, without Whites attaining benefits as well. It seems

highly improbable to have one without the other, unless policies are
written so specific as to exclude Whites from any predicted benefits.

     Another one of Bell's fictional chronicles depicts a vast land in
the middle of the Atlantic Ocean known as Afrolantica. One of the unique
features of this land, roughly the size of the New England states, was
that initial attempts by the U.S. and other countries to explore it
failed because no one could breathe. It was later determined that only
African-Americans could survive on Afrolantica because they seemed to be
immune to the strange air pressures. Many African-Americans began to pull
together making preparations to leave America for what was thought to be
the promise land. However, the government felt that Blacks seeking to
live on Afrolantica were traitors and in some cases feared what was to
come from inhabitants of this land. The number of African-Americans
seeking refuge in Afrolantica began to steadily increase. There was also
an increased sense of unity by blacks planning to go and even those
staying. Resources were  gathered, however, the first group to set sail
witnessed the land, they thought to be their place on earth, sink before
their eyes. Bell concludes the story by emphasizing the power that Blacks
possess when there is unity. This power proved to be a source of hope
that Blacks

can in fact accomplish goals if they reach out and help one another.

     This is what I believe to be one of the lost norms in the Black
community. The helping of each other to make a better way for all those
in the Black community. At one time the Black community served each
others needs, for example if children were engaged in mischievous
behavior a neighbor would be able to set them straight, without
opposition from the child's parent(s). That virtue is long gone because
not only are the neighbors scared of the children, but the parents are
too. Not to mention the fact that there has been a dramatic increase in
the presence of single parent homes, most of which are headed by mothers.
Although this may not be directly related to racial inequality, it is
pertinent to the state of the Black community today.

     There is very little debate as to the existence of racism in
America, what seems to be one of the focal points is whether or not
racism is the primary barrier hindering Black's progress. Bell proposes
that no matter what strides Blacks attempt to make in achieving racial
equality Whites create the boundaries in which they choose Blacks to
step. Blacks with superior or comparable education to their White
counterparts are routinely passed over from the business community to
academia. Bell's personal experience in matters of this nature have been
in higher educational institutions from Oregon State to Harvard. It was
in the latter institution that Bell went on a two year protest against
what he asserted was a continual and deliberate practice of excluding
Blacks from tenured and tenure-line faculty positions. Harvard's
reasoning was that Blacks generally lacked the traditional academic
background. I do not dispute that Harvard in fact purposely excluded
Blacks from their faculty, however, Bell fails to note that it is
extremely difficult for anyone-White, Black,or whoever to retain a
position on the faculty, especially one of tenure.

     Furthermore, Bell asserts that education alone is not the key for
Blacks success in America, although it is a starting point. I agree with
Bell that for any real progress to be made sacrifices will have to made
by both Whites and Blacks. However, it can be generally assumed that
Whites continue to be hesitant to make any sacrifices of significance due
to the dismal state of affairs in contemporary society. How can we move
toward a racially balanced society when the government has knowingly
operated to oppress minorities. The recent CIA scandal recently confirmed
what many Blacks have held for years-they (U.S. government) simply are
not concerned and/or are willing to sacrifice Black lives in favor world
politics.

     One of the problems in bringing to light racial injustices is that
two perspectives may result. One of which seems only to add to the
discouragement many Blacks have endured. The other is that Blacks must
continue to fight the struggle much like that of their predecessors. It
seems there is only one way to attack racial injustice, that is head-on.
If those in the past fell victim to discouragement and did not fight to
move forward, what would be the state of contemporary society?




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Derrick Bell, Faces At The Bottom of The Well: The Permanence of Racism
Basic Books, 1992
Reviewed by Aricka Vinson 
mailto:alvinso@ilstu.edu 

Dialogue:
Aricka:	What are you all watching?

Larry:	Nothing worth mentioning.  I'm sick and tired of seeing this stuff on 
t.v. and hearing all these white folks make their comments and judgments on 
us and they don't even know us.

Darryl:	I'm just sick of Black women coming down on me cause I don't feel 
like going out with them.

Kim:	Well I'm sick and tired of all you old tired men 

Freda:	(cuts her off) ..Ain't that the truth girl.  We sit up waiting on 
these men and what do they do?

Kim:	They run to some white woman!!!

Larry:	That's cause you all fuss too much.

Marshall:  I do not have a problem with any of the aforementioned problems I 
am just tired of going to work at my new job that I have supposedly been 
hired for based on my credentials  until "they" see my face.  If you are not 
choosing to hire me because I'm Black them tell me up front.  I have a 
degree as a matter of fact I have three.

Darryl:	You know why Mr. Harvard graduate if the "man" ain't taking them, 
then they hiring all the "sisters" because...

Sheila:	Wait one minute!  I go work all day, school part-time, take care of 
family & don't forget about the weekend hours I volunteer at work so I can 
compete with everyone else.  Why?

Freda:	Because you have to work twice as hard just to keep from "them" from 
assuming you're some "token."

Marshall: Have any of you ever read "Faces at the Bottom of the Well by 
Derrick Bell?"

Sheila:	Finally, a brother who explains our trials and tribulations by using 
fiction to explain fact.

Larry:	What does he explain?  

Aricka:	Well, basically......

All the problems that African Americans face daily cannot be summed up by 
labeling it discrimination.  One has to analyze the situation.  One has to 
confront the problems surrounding the problem.  In order to discuss why 
African Americans lack symbols in the community or feel as though they must 
separate from they so-called "melting pot" it takes a realistic, yet 
unorthodox approach.  Attacking the subtle discrimination that exists in the 
workplace and recognizing instead of ignoring it can address some problems.  
Realizing that yes, some black men stray from "their" culture for whatever 
reason confronts the problem.  Do not forget that knowing the rules of the 
race as we know the rules of the road is important in succeeding to locate 
the problems.  Understanding that sometimes three degrees from Harvard and a 
letter of recommendation from the most prestigious member of the board 
cannot cut through the undying smog of racism is essential.  African 
Americans must admits that no matter how far along they are in life they are 
still at the bottom of the well no matter how many nationalities migrate to 
the beautiful U S A (undying suppression of African Americans).  When 
Africans who brought to America become so comfy with their status in the US 
that they truly believe that they are part of America realize that at any 
give moment they will be sacrificed as they have been for years then and 
only then have they solved the problem.  Expecting nothing and knowing that 
something separates (and always will) blacks from whites is the solution!!!

Sheila:	He discusses that and then some.  Marshall, you would really like 
his section about discrimination in the workplace.

Marshall:   I've read it and he describes "The Racial Preference Licensing 
Act"...
	Many African Americans are jobless not because they are unqualified or 
unmotivated but because they are unfamiliar with the Caucasian persuasion.  
Call it what you like.  Yes, sometimes the job was already filled even 
though it wasn't when I spoke to the manager over the phone.  It is also 
true that there a Black people working in the store as janitors, so they do 
hire us.  I will also acknowledge that there are other qualified 
individuals, but what qualifications are being considered.  
	Instead of wasting my time and allowing me to fill out an application that 
will never be reviewed just tell me "I don't like Black people and I'm 
certainly not going to hire one."  Bell suggests that since the 
discrimination occurs everyday why not regulate the already illegal 
practices and make those people literally pay for their prejudice.  Bell 
identifies what many of us already know but others are unwilling to see.  By 
blatantly addressing the issues that few admit forces society in this 
instance to deal with African Americans  reality.

Darryl:  O.K. so what if whites are forced to pay for their prejudiced 
actions how is that going to change anything if you are hired?

Aricka:	Bell knows from personal experience that a job does not equal job 
security.  He addresses this in his section called "The Law Professors 
Protest."

	Fighting discrimination in the workplace can be handled in a variety of 
ways.  For example, one may choose to refuse the job on principle while 
others may accept in hopes of changing the environment from the "inside."  
Well assume that one chooses the latter and attempts to lobby for change.  
Even at Harvard University, which has been categorized as a prestigious 
maker of minds, racism is ingrained in the system from the hiring, 
promotion, firing, and admissions process.  So Bell sets the scene for his 
next lesson in the day of the life of a black person which involves a system 
such as the one described.  The professors and administrators at the 
university have decided to discuss the problems and in hopes of reaching a 
solution to the racial inequalities that exist.  However, this discussion is 
ended abruptly by a bomb which kills each and every person that including 
all the black professors that attended.  This meeting was to reveal numerous 
positive changes in the curriculum as well as hiring practices. This extreme 
example demonstrates the existence of institutional racism and the truth 
that efforts by those on the inside continue to fail.

Kim:	Well I'm glad that he discusses the truth about some of our Black men's 
pattern of leaving Black sisters behind for white women.  Bell writes as if 
he is amongst family (blacks) discussing problems that he has noticed, but 
he also includes company (whites).  Darryl you should this section on "The 
Last Black Hero."
	
	Many Black men have a tendency to go outside of their race and not just the 
affluent brothers.  Many of the reasons include a lack of common interests 
or that they are just easier to get along.  Whatever the reason many sisters 
continue to support these men and for what, betrayal.  After years of 
slavery and continued racism Black men fail to realize that their actions 
are a direct slap in the face.  Not only do they parade around with white 
women as their trophies but they expect Black women to accept them both into 
the community.  

Darryl:	(interrupts) I date who I choose to date!  Why should I have to only 
date Black women.

Kim:	You don't.  At the same time do not exclude all Black women as if we 
are not worthy to grace your presence.  Do not belittle us.   Do not compare 
us.  And certainly do not expect us to accept you and yours when you cannot 
accept yourself. 

Aricka:	O.K. what I think Kim is attempting to communicate is the feeling of 
betrayal that stings the heart and stabs the soul of Black women.  Black 
men's tendencies to date only white women and the continual impression that 
we are acceptable only at a certain status concerns us when we continue to 
support you.
    

Larry:	Well, I detect a bit of prejudice in Bell's tone.

Freda:	You detect a tone of preparation for what can happen again.  We are 
so comfortable in America that we have forgotten who and where we are.  Many 
Blacks fail to remember how we got here and the thousands on top of 
thousands who died to build the land of the brave.  In the "Space Traders" 
Bell challenges us all and asks us to recognize that just as easily as we 
were brought here in shackles we can find ourselves in them again. 

Larry:	I'm a part of the workforce.
Freda:	Everyone is expendable!

	Daily Blacks go to work and come home without ever questioning or 
contemplating that tomorrow they could be sold.  If you were to ask a person 
what they would be doing 10 years from now they might think of their class 
reunion, but not many if any would say, "Um... I think I'll be enslaved so 
it really does not matter."  Bell challenges Blacks to imagine the 
unimaginable that "their" government for guaranteed stability is willing to 
sacrifice all African Americans.  Bell is aware that many African Americans 
have forgotten that they are not originally from this land, so why should 
America care if Africans brought to America are sent to some unknown land 
and keep in mind it's for a profit.  This section invites Blacks to truly 
comprehend their role in society as the country's scapegoat.

Aricka:  
	Each section of Bell's book is like a new release of a Spike Lee or John 
Singleton film.  They are the new generation of Derrick Bell waiting to tell 
their story in hopes of enlightening & educating African Americans.  They 
convey in film what he does in writing; the plight of the Black person.  
Bell holds a conversation with the reader and that conversation is targeted 
towards the Black person, but if someone white overhears it that's even 
better.  There is a theater with a line of Black people wrapped around the 
building waiting to get in to see "Faces at the Bottom of the Well.  Once 
you've entered the theater there is a curtain which keeps some white and 
black people out, but they can hear the story.  During the movie the crowd 
laughs and cries because they understand the author.  Bell gives the 
impression that some Blacks and whites are on the outside looking in and 
cannot fully understand his ideas and/or his methods for explaining The 
Permanence of Racism.  
	Permanent is the scar of slavery across the backs of African Americans.  
Lest us not forget the millions of African Americans that are permanently 
disadvantaged because they were never allowed to be equal.  How can one 
forget the permanent skin tones that encompasses every shade of brown that 
enables onlookers to pass judgment.  Remembering always the permanent strong 
black features that others try to emulate which allows African Americans to 
be mocked by others as well as themselves.  Racism cannot be anything but 
permanent it is in every element that makes an African an American.  	
.

 

Subject: FACES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL (Eric Weidner)

Derrik Bell
FACES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL
Basic Books, A Division of HarperColins Publishers, Inc. (1992)
Reviewed by:  Erik S. Weidner
esweidn@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu



Derrick Bell’s Faces at the Bottom of the Well might seem to be, at first
glance, a very morbid book with a very depressing message.  The message
might be misconstrued as saying to blacks:
"No matter how hard you try or what you do you will never succeed in
America because this is a white man’s land."

This is not the message at all thought.  I believe that the message Bell is
trying to convey is:
"Even though things may be tough, they are better than they were, and if
the fight is not fought then all is lost.  It is better to fight and lose
than to never fight, because the battles fought today, might well become
victories for our children tomorrow."

I think that Bell is trying to get all of America, and the world, to see
the problems that are inherent in America.  Our social problem are so deep
and so ingrained into everyone’s head that it may take decades to change
the problems.

Bell’s book is that of nine different short stories of different styles,
but similar content and messages.  I would like to review three of these
stories and offer a brief summary of each.


The first, "Racial Licensing Act," is acknowledging the fact that racial
discrimination exist in America.  Using this line of logic the argument
that ALL "civil rights laws or constitutional provisions" only benefit the
whites.  The black community may benefit a little but only if the white
community benefits a lot.  This is known as "White self-interest
lawmaking."  Sometimes viewed as nepotism (giving  preferential treatment
to family members) because whites view themselves as one big racial family.
 He sites this later in the book in ‘Racism’s Secret Bonding.’  Bell argues
that knowing this, and the fact that it can not be done away with, this
tendency to discriminate should then be used to try to help blacks and
other minorities.

If whites are going to discriminate then they should have to pay for the
privilege of being racist.  Making whites pay large, but not impossible,
amounts of money in advance for the right to be able to discriminate.  This
would in the long run help everyone and Bell sites what the advantages are
and that this is the only short term solution.  Advantages to RLA:
1.)	Allows the right of non-association, if someone does not want to be
around a certain group of people then they don’t have to.  This 	might very
well reduce some of the tensions and violence between 	racial groups.
2.)  	Public admission of racial discriminatory actions along with the high
	payments for that "right," not only do they have to admit publicly 	that
they are racists, but they have to pay  big bucks for that 	privilege.  The
money collected from the RLA will then be funneled 	into minority
communities to use in education and housing 	improvements.  This
improvement in education will in the long run 	give minorities the weapons
to better fight the racial inequality 	battle. 
3.)  	Blacks will know up front if they will be discriminated against and
won’t have to waste their time in that establishment.  It will help
minorities to better target their career/housing search so as to be 	more
productive and less frustrated.  They will know in advance 	why they won’t
get the job/apartment.

Racist whites who read this might think this is a great idea, "a God send",
now we can keep those "niggers" out and all we have to do is give them some
money.  Where do I sign up?

I personally think that this is horrible. That we as Americans would even
consider such a thing.  I do think that money should be redirected into low
income areas for the purpose of increasing education and the opportunities
that go along with increased education, but I don’t think legalizing racism
is the way to do this.

I don’t think that Bell feels this way either.  He is just trying to help
us to see how bad the problem is, and that the time has come to fix the
problem.

The second, "The Rules of Racial Standing," Bell describes for us the five
rules of racial standing and uses examples from the not so distant past the
show how these rules are truly rules of our society.  Again this could be
seen as a message to blacks of just how desperate the times are (as stated
in Rule #5) or, as I perceive it, as a call to action by both blacks and
white to end this crippling disease that has infected and sickened our
country.  Bell uses what I consider to be shock appeal to show us, the
reader, how deeply embedded racial discrimination is in our society.
 	Rule #1 -	"No matter what their expertise black statements are 		deemed
as ‘special pleading’ and thus not entitled to serious 		consideration."
The example used is that of Ralph Ellison’s 		book Invisible Man.
 	Rule #2 -	 "Not only are black complaints discounted, but black 		victims
of racism less effective witnesses than are whites, who 		are members of
the oppressor class."  The example was that of 		Brown v. Board of Education.
 	Rule #3 -	Similar to rule #1 except that a black person can have
credibility when speaking out against another black person 		that is doing
something that upsets white people.  The exampl